obama is drawing there. bill: in the speech he talked about the spirit of empathy. i think that was around the enron time, because he talked about the employees of enron feel that they've been violated. how did that fit into this argument, or this speech that he was make stph-g. >> yo making? >> as far as that goes i agree. enron was run by a bunch of crooks, and they deserved to go to jail and many of them did. obviously there was justifiable anger, people lost their retirement and pensions, but to equate that as he does later in the speech saying, well, you know, a community has had this company there, it's provided jobs for many years, and the company decides to shut down, because of economic conditions, that's a form of violence, you know, that could be used to justify all kinds of behavior, and not just union strikes, but actual union violence. bill: you pointed to a ""washington post"" interview in 2007. that is five years ago. what emerged from that interview that caught your eye?